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    <pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:15:29 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: AW Support</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26870,26881/#msg-26881</link>
      <author>wildblue</author>
      <description><![CDATA[CNY - Please shoot me an email or give me a call.  kevin@americanwhitewater.org, 406-543-1802, and we can talk through what is going on.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:15:29 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Whitewater Safety Discussion] Re: Whitewater incident, close calls,fatality</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/21,26878,26880/#msg-26880</link>
      <author>pmartzen</author>
      <description><![CDATA[You best bet is to study the AW accident database and see what has actually happened in such situations.
http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/Accident/view/
Enter your search terms in the boxes for; Initial Reports, Summary, Detailed Description, or Conclusions.  You should find lots of accidents to study for each type of hazard.
Deaths from low head dams and reversals are common.  Flush drownings occur when a swimmer cannot reach shore but is flushed on downstream.

There are several older forum threads about low head dams and reversals.
http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/21,358/
http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/21,26765/
http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/21,7185/

Many low head dams appear to be inescapable without outside help.  There is a great need for empirical research to study this issue.   There are also the problems of getting permission from dam owners to conduct such research and in figuring out safe ways of doing such research.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 14:19:13 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: Owasco River: NY-Public Access</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26877,26879/#msg-26879</link>
      <author>pmartzen</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Wow!  What great info about this river and the problems you are dealing with.  I took the liberty of adding your information directly to the river page.  I did some editing and moved the link for this discussion to the bottom of the page with other resource links.  
http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/River/detail/id/4407/

I have a number of initial questions.
1. Where is the Mill Street Dam that is cited in the city code?  We should add it as a rapids marker on the map.  
2. How can paddlers contact the land owner at Canoga Road bridge for permission to park and access the river? Is he okay with that information being public or does he reserve access to only those he knows?
3 How can interested persons contact the volunteer group forming to do river clean ups?

River Clean up examples:   Seems like there are a lot of organizations for river clean ups these days.   I will see if I can hunt down some links for national and local organizations that can be used as examples and resources.  Some AW affiliate clubs may be active with river clean ups as well.  

Here is an organization from my area might be inspiring for you.
http://www.rivertreevolunteers.org/index.html
The core is a group of retired guys and they probably lead a clean up trip a week for much of the year.  Through diplomacy and perseverance they can access any section of their river via private property.  They host clean up trips for school groups, community clubs and organizations and with unaffiliated individuals.  They get somebody to donate dumpsters and they fill them on a regular basis.  Email or call Rich Sloane and pick his brain.  His contact info is on the website.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:04:07 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Whitewater Safety Discussion] Whitewater incident, close calls,fatality</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/21,26878,26878/#msg-26878</link>
      <author>MSABET</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello

I am doing a research on whitewater incident, close calls or fatalities regarding situation where water forces wouldn't allow you to reach shore or sucks you back in to undercut, low head dam etc.

What options do you have (other than avoiding one)  if you get  stuck and what would be the best way to get out of such situations. 

Thanks]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:15:08 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Owasco River: NY-Public Access</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26877,26877/#msg-26877</link>
      <author>CNY Outfitters</author>
      <description><![CDATA[The Owasco River originates at the North end of Owasco Lake, is initially navigable to the first dam and then flows through an industrialized section of Auburn where downstream flows become regulated. [url=http://www.auburnny.gov/Public_Documents/AuburnNY_Utilities/hydropower]Auburn Hydro[/url] It then becomes navigable again at Wadsworth Street,  just above the AW put-in at Canoga Road. 3 miles downstream from here the Turnpike Takeout is also the beginning of a pleasant, 4.5 mile class 2 section through remote woodlands and valleys to the Village of Port Byron, from here, continuing downstream at class 1, it meanders to the Seneca River and a State Boat Launch site at Mosquito Point.

ACCESS:
 
AUBURN- does not currently provide public access to the Northern Navigable portion of the river AW paddlers use although they (?) support it.   [url=http://www.auburnny.gov/Public_Documents/AuburnNY_PLanning/Greenway/index]Auburn Greenway Trail[/url] , [url=http://www.auburnny.gov/public_documents/auburnny_planning/comprehensive_plan/06.pdf]Auburn Comp Plan[/url] . Also the property owner at the Canoga Road put-in ( all 4 corners) has been known to assert his authority by physically moving paddlers vehicles or challenging paddlers who do not contact him before accessing. In addition there have also been several citations issued to paddlers using this section and clarification of the Auburn City Code may be needed. [url=http://ecode360.com/8969923#8969944]Auburn Code 234-11-C[/url]
TURNPIKE-current access is a herd path with parking on the shoulder suitable for 3-4 cars. Cayuga County possesses all 4 corners inclusive in a 400+ acre parcel acquired from NYSEG with a requirement that it remains &quot;open land&quot;.  Discussions about better parking/access here have progressed to the County Planning Level with support from local Town Boards and County Legislator Dave Axton commenting,   &quot;..Let me speak to some people but i guarantee you it would need to be built to spec..&quot;
HAYDEN ROAD-current access is also a herd path with limited roadside parking however, excellent public access potential exists on lands with ownership disputed between the deeded landowner and NYSDOT.  Parcel Id# 87.00-2-76 at [url=http://71.176.110.94/par_cayuga/]Cayuga GIS Maps[/url]This is near the northern terminus of the 400+ acre County Land and the beginning of the class 1 section flowing into Port Byron.
 
ENVIRONMENTAL:

TRASH
Currently there is trash all over the entire stretch ranging from shopping carts and TV's, to tires, old boats, and more. Although local assistance has been requested for disposal there has been no help. A small volunteer group is forming for removing the debris from the river. 

STRAINERS
This river is a floodway and maintenance as established by DEC falls on the local Towns. A small volunteer paddling contingent has been actively removing hazardous strainers from Auburn-Port Byron following published AW guidelines; there has been favorable contact with local officials and DEC Officers.  

STEWARDSHIP
The River downstream from Turnpike Road flows through a unique, undeveloped and primitive section where many species including Mink, Fox, Beaver, Fish, Waterfowl, Eagles, and more are routinely seen. It wanders through a wooded valley along exposed gypsum formations. Fortunately, it is mostly included in the 400 acre County Land set aside as &quot;open&quot; although the Towns of Throop and Aurelius have the authority to change this designation. Parcel Id # 101.00-1-7.1 at [url=http://71.176.110.94/par_cayuga/]Cayuga GIS Maps[/url]

Will begin updating AW page for this river and bring in some new relevant photos. Also will develop the Class 2 description below Turnpike. Ideas? Actions? THANKS!]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 21:41:59 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: AW Support</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26870,26876/#msg-26876</link>
      <author>pmartzen</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello CNY Outfitters,

Thank you for posting about this issue on the streamteam forum.  Since AW is a largely volunteer organization with a small highly overstretched paid staff, your help could come in snippets from a variety of directions.  

Posting here is a good start to helping you describe what the issues are on the Owasco river and to get that information disseminated.  Are you referring to this section of the Owasco River or another?
http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/River/detail/id/4407/

I see there are some comments about a City of Auburn ordinance prohibiting boating on the Owasco within the city.  It looks like the stream teamer has not updated the page since 2005 and the page is devoid of description and general information.  There are some rapids descriptions and quite a few photos.  

Since Matt has not jumped in already, I can help flesh out this page and create click-able links to the city ordinance and state ordinances as well as the AW recreational information for New York state.  We can make space to describe the access problems and environmental concerns for this reach so that you have a reference for your own arguments and for other people who get interested in these issues.  

You want to create an informational foundation that any allies can learn from and utilize.  As the rest of us start understanding the issues, we will be able to offer more help and more specific help.  

I see there is a reference to another reach of the Owasco downstream to the confluence with the Seneca River.  We would like to have a reach page for that as well, but that may not be your area of concern.  

Write up what you can about the issue, then post it here and on the stream page.  Better yet for this forum...  start a new thread titled Owasco River: NY - Public Access so we can get a discussion going specifically about the issues of that river]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 21:38:41 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: Adding New Reaches</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26859,26875/#msg-26875</link>
      <author>pmartzen</author>
      <description><![CDATA[One thing that is fun and satisfying for me is to simply contact, thank, and ask questions of people who do contribute with photos or comments.  I enjoy looking at the recent uploads in the photo library and sometimes I follow the links back to the river where the photo was taken.  If there is little information on that river page it is a good opportunity to use the photo and ask questions about the river. It shows people that their photos are doing some good and are appreciated.  

When people make comments about a river that are of long term or general interest, I try to transfer the information in those comments to the main river page. It is nice to personally thank the person who submitted the comment.  It is also a good opportunity to ask further questions.  

Every once in awhile I need to add a new reach, but creating the basic page is simple.  Getting enough info to fill it out is hard, unless there is somebody who has done the reach and is willing to communicate with me via email.  If there is somebody to talk to, the job is fun.  

Something I would really like to see is an easy way for members to compose blog like trip reports for the rivers they run.  Writing and reading trip reports and stories would give people a reason to keep returning to the river pages even when they are familiar with the rivers.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:09:44 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: Photos won't take &quot;partial inches&quot; in river level selection box</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26864,26874/#msg-26874</link>
      <author>pmartzen</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hey John,  Thanks for writing up the bug ticket.  The more people comfortable with this the faster bugs get discovered and potentially fixed.  Your ticket is here
http://www.americanwhitewater.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/ticket/940
in case others want to look at it.  I do have a few suggestions and comments for bug tickets.

1 Thanks for adding a link to the page of interest to you with the problems.  You could go even further and add a link to a specific photo where you wanted to have fractions of an inch in the gauge info.  For the wrap around text problem, add a link directly to the rapids tab so the future problem solver can go straight to the problem without fiddling or guessing.  

2 Unless the problems are very closely related and might be cured by the same remedy, I think it is best to create a separate ticket for each one.  It just makes it easier for the problem solver to organize, prioritize and check off completion.  In this case you could make a new separate ticket for the text wrap around the photo issue and make a note about the new ticket in the old ticket.  You can't edit the original ticket much, but you can add new information in messages below the original message.  

3 For the gauge issue you might describe why it is important to be able to show fractions of an inch for this particular river.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:47:02 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: Photos won't take &quot;partial inches&quot; in river level selection box</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26864,26873/#msg-26873</link>
      <author>JohnnyP</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Thanks Paul.  I created a bug ticket about this and the wrap-around text issue.  Hopefully I did it right.  

Thanks for your help!

John]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 14:10:10 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: Adding New Reaches</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26859,26872/#msg-26872</link>
      <author>matt</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Jeff,

We do have a page put together, with [url=http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/Wiki/rivers:sk:instructions/]instructions for StreamTeam Members[/url]. It includes specific instructions on adding a river reach as well as finding coordinates to add.

I think putting together a form, wherein the Great Unwashed would enter the data and it would be sent to an appropriate ST volunteer or a Regional STer, sounds like a great idea--butt it would likely neither be used nor seen by the general public. I mean, we already have [url=http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/StreamTeam/info/]a page which invites people to join the Stream Team[/url], butt judging by the majority of the related emails I get, they either don't see it or they don't understand it. (Over 12 years of the modern AW website, it has always been thus.)

I think our efforts would be better put toward promoting the info that's already there. How do we get the word out to potential volunteers that they could help? How do we convince people [i]already in the ST Project[/i] that they could enter info about many streams that they know? (I'm thinking of a recent thread in Boater Talk, in which some ST volunteers said &quot;I didn't edit this reach description, because it was someone else's reach.&quot; They don't get the collaborative Wiki nature of the Project!) If we put together some fancy form-based input interface, I figure that unfortunately it would simply not be used.

By the BTW: the Instructions for Stream Team Members, linked above, is also a Wiki. I invite people to edit it to flesh out and/or correct places where it can be improved.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 05:45:49 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: Adding New Reaches</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26859,26871/#msg-26871</link>
      <author>rob</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I can't speak for the silence of others, but for myself, I guess I was (am) a bit confounded about just what the suggested/implied need is. Most generally (at least from my experience), the person who has the info (knowledge/awareness of a whitewater run) signs on as a StreamTeam member and adds the info directly. In the relatively few cases where that individual does not desire to be a member of the StreamTeam (or is not a member of AW), it doesn't seem as though it should be all that prolonged a back-and-forth of emails (or other contacts for info) to get a reasonable amount of data to get at least a basic description going. I mean, frankly, there are lots and lots and lots of sections listed on AW which have only minimal info  . . . so why should anyone be hesitant about putting something up without complete detail? (Need examples? Look at WV, Gauley sections 1-4 all have little or no description and no photos. Look at Glade Creek (Meadow Trib, #2380 and Manns Trib, #2909) -- neither has any gradient figures.)

There are also a good many rivers/runs for which there is almost no description on the main page, but which have a fair amount of user comments which have provided detail. Ideally a StreamTeam member should 'promote' the comments . . . that is, copy/edit them (as appropriate) into the body of the description (with credit to contributor) then delete the comment(s).

All of which is to say . . . I haven't seen nor heard any big hue and cry about difficulty getting data. YMMv.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:54:09 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] AW Support</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26870,26870/#msg-26870</link>
      <author>CNY Outfitters</author>
      <description><![CDATA[We have tried, with no success, to contact different AW leaders for direction/advice as we try to develop public access and environmental interest on the Owasco River in NY. While this is not a high profile river it is none the less exceptionally suitable for beginners and intermediate paddlers in our region. We know that AW is a functional and productive organization, what do we need to do to establish a link with experienced personnel capable of occasionally providing good direction? Whereas we presume to be capable, we do not presume expertise in this field nor see the wisdom in proceeding blindly. Please support us so that we may support you.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:40:14 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: Adding New Reaches</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26859,26869/#msg-26869</link>
      <author>jeffpaine</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Well, it seems the silence has spoken. There doesn't appear to be much interest in investigating this functionality. But, that may not be a bad thing, as we have no shortage of other tasks to work on with regards to the website.

Nonetheless, I really appreciate the conversation I had with the StreamTeam members about this topic at Deerfield Fest 2011. Thanks much for that.

Best,

Jeff Paine
Outreach Director
American Whitewater]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 13:21:06 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: Photos won't take &quot;partial inches&quot; in river level selection box</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26864,26868/#msg-26868</link>
      <author>pmartzen</author>
      <description><![CDATA[You could add this as a bug ticket in the bug tracker.  Go to the menus - Administrator/bug tracker.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:27:04 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: Text in Rapids section now below photo, will this continue?</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26863,26867/#msg-26867</link>
      <author>pmartzen</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I had not noticed this change myself, but I preferred the wrap around text format.  I liked having the text next to the photo rather than below.  I don't like all the white space next to the photo.  I have no idea why the change was made.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:14:05 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: What happened to the Arkansas River Gauge?</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26865,26866/#msg-26866</link>
      <author>pmartzen</author>
      <description><![CDATA[It really helps if you add a link to the specific gauge and river pages that you are looking at.  Otherwise we don't know where to look to see the problem.  We don't even know for sure what state to look in.  I assume you are referring to a section of the Arkansas in [url=http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/River/state-summary/state/CO/]Colorado[/url], but it could be a different river in a different state......  Ok, I see that it is the Arkansas in Colorado and that all sections show n/a for flow.  

In general, if a gauge gets discontinued and another similar one is available, then we should switch to the alternate gauge as soon as possible.  At the same time, try to find out what happened with the old gauge.  Did it get shut down permanently?  Is it temporarily off line till when?  Has the url changed or something like that? Has it gone bad but the responsible agency is not aware of it? Has responsibility changed to another agency (thus changing the address)? etc. etc.  

We can follow links from an Arkansas river page back to the USGS gauge page to see if we learn anything.  The [url=http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?cb_00060=on&amp;cb_00065=on&amp;format=html&amp;period=7&amp;site_no=07081200]USGS page for the Arkansas at Leadville[/url] shows that the gauge is frozen in ice and cannot provide readings at this time.

Is there an alternate gauge that is lower in elevation and so is not frozen?

The [url=http://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/uv?07094500]USGS gauge for Arkansas at Parkdale[/url] operates seasonally from April to September, only.

You can add multiple gauges to a reach page.  So for the reach [url=http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/River/detail/id/360/]Parkdale to Canon[/url] you can have the seasonal USGS gauge for Parkdale, and also have the CO DWR gauge near Wellsville.  If other gauges are helpful, you can add them as well.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 11:58:13 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] What happened to the Arkansas River Gauge?</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26865,26865/#msg-26865</link>
      <author>nawhite</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Apparently the gauge that was listed stopped responding 100 days ago but now all the sections just show up as n/a on the Rivers page. Did the gauge get removed in one place but not all?

Any objections to me changing the gauge to a new similar one instead of just showing n/a?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 00:22:12 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Photos won't take &quot;partial inches&quot; in river level selection box</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26864,26864/#msg-26864</link>
      <author>JohnnyP</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Have noticed this a few times.

When putting in the level for the rapid in a photo and using inches as the unit, one can't use 8.5 inches, for example.  Only whole numbers are accepted.  Pretty minor issue, to be sure (but you know us Green boaters).  I make the correction in the photo description text as a way around, but that's not what shows when breezing down a page of pics in Rapid Descriptions.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 23:42:06 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Text in Rapids section now below photo, will this continue?</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26863,26863/#msg-26863</link>
      <author>JohnnyP</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello,

Quite a ways back there was a change where the text in a given reaches' Rapids Description section would be &quot;wrapped around&quot; the photo for the rapid.  Now it's all [i]below[/i] the rapid.  Is this gonna stay this way?  The other way made the page more compact, with less white space, and plus I liked it better.  If it's permanent, that's fine, and I'll change some wording around in the text.  

Thanks,

John P.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:47:34 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: More on photos being dropped when editing</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26845,26862/#msg-26862</link>
      <author>JohnnyP</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hey hey,,,,,,,problem fixed itself (it appears).  Not sure what I did other than wait a week or two and hesitantly try it again.  Did run some virus/spybot/C-cleaner stuff a few times, maybe that had an impact.

Regardless, it's good for now.  Thanks for your responses and help, fellas.

John]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 13:18:08 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: New Whitewater Search Engine</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26412,26861/#msg-26861</link>
      <author>nawhite</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I finally became a stream team member so I can actually reply to say thanks for the shout-out. I'm the guy who makes/moderates http://whitewatersearch.com. Its kinda ugly right now because google depreciated some things I was using, but it works fairly well in my humble opinion. 

If anyone has any questions about it or ideas for sites I should add, let me know. I also run http://whitewatermap.com. It pulls the AW KML files and displays them on a map. 

Nik.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2012 18:49:51 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Whitewater Safety Discussion] Re: Zero degree offset paddles to buy?</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/21,26858,26860/#msg-26860</link>
      <author>jfetters</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Take a look at H20. They run a little over $300. Everyone I know that has one has had them for quite awhile]]></description>
      <category>General Whitewater Safety Discussion</category>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:18:16 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Adding New Reaches</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26859,26859/#msg-26859</link>
      <author>jeffpaine</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hey Folks,

Last year at Deerfield Fest in MA I ran into two members of our illustrious StreamTeam (was it Skip and Mark? My memory is getting soft...) and we had a super interesting discussion around StreamTeam tasks.

During this conversation, I basically asked &quot;What's the most time consuming/biggest pain StreamTeam task?&quot; as I was interested in if/how I could help. What I got back was that getting the required data to initially list or flesh out a reach was a big time suck (e.g. 10 emails back and forth, etc.).

What I suggested was that perhaps we could put together a simple form that allowed people to request a reach be listed. This form would have some brief contact info for the requester and then have fields that would correspond to the appropriate fields necessary to list a reach e.g. Name, Section, Putin Lat/Lon, Takeout Lat/Lon, etc. This form would be fleshed out with guidance on how to collect and report this data (e.g. &quot;to get GPS coordinates you can...&quot;). 

After this form is submitted, we could just set it up to relay this information via email to the core ST group (or whomever we thought appropriate). For addition, follow up, etc.

Perhaps a form is even too much, maybe just a help page that literally describes &quot;How do I add a reach?&quot; with guidance around what to include and who to communicate it to.

Any interest amongst the StreamTeam group for adding some simple form or help info along this lines? I'm happy to do the backend lifting to set it up, but I'd want feedback from folks if it's valuable to add and then help putting the words together.

Anyhow, I wish I brought this topic up right after we talked about it, but I suppose it's never too late to have a good discussion about it. Thanks to the guys I had this really interesting conversation with!

Thanks,

Jeff Paine
Outreach Director
American Whitewater]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:53:31 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Whitewater Safety Discussion] Zero degree offset paddles to buy?</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/21,26858,26858/#msg-26858</link>
      <author>skangadang</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I learned how to paddle from the beginning with a zero degree offset, even for rec and sea stuff.  I'm having a bunch of trouble finding good paddles with zero degree offsets.  My question is, I would like to get a WW paddle, but I'm worried that the ones with adjustable offsets are not as strong or effective as the solid shaft paddles.  Also, I would like to avoid spending $400.  Any ideas?  Thanks in advance.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 20:57:56 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: spam or malicious posts, website security</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26855,26857/#msg-26857</link>
      <author>pmartzen</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Thanks for posting a link to the problem AW page/tab.  When you point out such problems it is easy for an Stream Team person to remove the comment.  In this case, I just deleted the comment.  I have assumed that people needed to be logged in to post comments, so it surprises me when there is an anonymous comment.

For a short while there we were getting spam photo submissions regularly. A few of us would delete several every time we logged in.  Then that stopped and I have not seen any spam photos since.  I assume that some weakness was corrected.

Paul]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 13:23:05 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: spam or malicious posts, website security</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26855,26856/#msg-26856</link>
      <author>rob</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I agree with the question or concern about the security of our website. It seems a bare minimum that one should have to be a logged-on user of the website in order to post a comment. Not being a web-programmer nor a hacker, I have no idea how these bots work, and how they might manage to circumvent such security (if it does exist).

I have also come across such comments randomly in the past. As a Regional Editor (for the Midwest), I take it upon myself to delete them when I do encounter them. I can't say that I have seen any great proliferation of them, so I would hardly categorize this as a huge problem. The fact that they are in the comments, and aren't clickable links, makes them even less a threat. Their format makes it pretty conspicuous that they are nonsense and spam, so it is tough to figure that many people really bother to cut/paste/follow the links. Nonetheless, they are a bit troubling when they do occur, and should be eliminated (manually or otherwise).]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 08:30:56 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] spam or malicious posts, website security</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26855,26855/#msg-26855</link>
      <author>wasatchbill</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Greetings, 
I noticed a bogus User Comment on a run description, which appears to be spam or perhaps of malicious intent. It is here:
http://www.americanwhitewater.org/content/River/detail/id/2255/#tab-comments
Those websites are not found by googling, or using a Norton Safe Search toolbar, so I don't think they are still active. 
I am concerned that this comment is 151 days old (on Jan 8, 2012). Is a login needed to post a User Comment? I wonder if this comment could have been posted by a bot of some kind, that defeated the login requirement? 

I hope the web server(s) for this site are kept up to date with patches, and there are good backups. Web servers seem to be increasingly popular targets these days. 
Best Regards, 
Bill Hunt]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 04:44:02 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[Gauley Festival] iPhone jailbreak is it of great benefit?</title>
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      <author>joangallagher</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Jailbreaking is considered the technique to open the whole IPhone process to remove the constraint that limits the Apple iphone intended for accessing the product, that hasn’t been endorsed by Apple. You will find 3 forms of jailbreaks: connected, semi connected, and untethered. An untethered jailbreak permits you to jailbreak the unit, function Cydia apps and changes, plus reboots the unit when needed without consequences; this is basically the most ideal jailbreaks of all. Semi Tethered jailbreaking will allow you to restart your personal unit, but not with out various implications. When rebooting, will possibly not be able to manage any kind of Cydia jailbreak apps, and even certain stock apps for example Safari can be hard to get at. Tethered jailbreak you are unable to reactivate your current apparatus in anyway without doing a connected boot. A tethered boot requires usage of a pc, therefore if you’re out and about, and then your product reboots, you’re up a stream without using a paddle. As a result it will be easy to use SFTP, AFP and other ordinary data file access practices to learn and create data. In addition it enables you to set up third-party software package, that you can acquire free of charge and paid out apps through the official App Store.



 Jailbreaking also provides the means to access changes, mods, and extensions. [url=http://quickiphoneunlock.com/]Quick iPhone Unlock[/url] enables you to setup program varied add-ons like SBSettings, which will will allow for instant access to your system functions from inside just about any application and also put a 5th symbol into the dock at the bottom of all Apple iphone display or system sounds and etc. If you want specialized wallpaper, customizable symbols together with net tethering you'll be able to do that by jailbreaking the cellular phone. Constraints by means of applications designers, utilization limits and applications are definitely the most reason why individuals are jailbreaking their own mobile. Or these people would like to use some other network with the IPhone to acquire a more desirable reception, save some money on your own data plan, and yet don’t expect tech support out of Apple or AT&amp;T. They want much more from the Apple iphones and they’re not going to permit Apple inc stop them. Presently, Jailbreaking is quite simple and easy. You simply need get a little software programs, get the iOS device to your laptop or computer, and run the software. There isn't a specific expertise or techniques required only the eagerness to [url=http://quickiphoneunlock.com/]iPhone jailbreak[/url]



Jailbreaking is totally 100 % legal, at least in the US. Jailbreaking was regarded as illegitimate by the US govt determined by copyright laws litigation however , a regulation making it legal. Yet Jailbreaking void warranty specifics because if you visit Apple shop and show your own Jailbroken i phone to an Apple staff member, you'll be informed that you simply can’t receive support services because you voided your warranty the second you actually jailbroke. Apple company obviously acknowledges the american government’s DMCA exception to this rule verdict that makes jailbreak legitimate, yet that doesn’t signify that Apple must allow for jailbreak in the purchaser understanding.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:04:42 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[General Whitewater Safety Discussion] I'm starting a blog about Family Rafting</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/21,26853,26853/#msg-26853</link>
      <author>FamilyFloater</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hi All, 

I'm a new member.  I'm starting a blog about family rafting and any ideas would be great.  I particularly want to have the safety part of my blog correct. 

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

http://billstrongdenver.blogspot.com/]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 08:21:03 -0500</pubDate>
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      <title>[StreamTeam Forum] Re: More on photos being dropped when editing</title>
      <link>http://www.americanwhitewater.org//content/Forum/read/send/25,26845,26852/#msg-26852</link>
      <author>pmartzen</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hey John,

Don't know if you are still having problems with dropped photos, but I am thinking it will be intimidating to even experiment if your are worried about loosing more and more photos.   If that is the case, just work with somebody who is not having the problem to reinstate the photos when they get dropped.  Any of the other state stream teamers or one of the regional stream teamers can help.  Just send a link to the page and note which photos got dropped where. 

You might also try logging in from a different computer, such as at a library or at a friends, till you solve whatever is going on with your own computer.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:51:56 -0500</pubDate>
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