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Re: Seven of the eight warmest years on record for the planet have occurred since 2001
Posted by: waveydavey (IP Logged)
Date: August 11, 2008 07:26PM
Re: Seven of the eight warmest years on record for the planet have occurred since 2001
Posted by: Powhoundus (IP Logged)
Date: August 12, 2008 05:58AM
Hanley is right. Record cold days or months or winters have nothing to do with years of averaged data. It's pointless to consider them as evidence for or against a change in climate beyond an interesting news item.
Wes
Wes
Re: Seven of the eight warmest years on record for the planet have occurred since 2001
Posted by: LarryC (IP Logged)
Date: August 12, 2008 10:48AM
I'm going to have to question your logic on this one. How can record cold temperatures, or record hot temperatures for that matter, not effect the averages?
Climate change is geological fact. What is in question is whether the current change is 1.human driven or part of a general cycle of warming and cooling. 2. Is a warming trend really a disasterous thing as some of the doomsday prophets predict.
I guess time will tell if the first is true or not, but if one looks at strictly historical and prehistorical data, warm periods have been very friendly towards human developement and to life on Earth in general. While it is now suggested that human evolution was driven by the stuggle to survive the numerous Ice Ages, the Ice Ages also nearly eliminated the Human Race as a species too.
Climate change is geological fact. What is in question is whether the current change is 1.human driven or part of a general cycle of warming and cooling. 2. Is a warming trend really a disasterous thing as some of the doomsday prophets predict.
I guess time will tell if the first is true or not, but if one looks at strictly historical and prehistorical data, warm periods have been very friendly towards human developement and to life on Earth in general. While it is now suggested that human evolution was driven by the stuggle to survive the numerous Ice Ages, the Ice Ages also nearly eliminated the Human Race as a species too.
Re: Seven of the eight warmest years on record for the planet have occurred since 2001
Posted by: hanleyk1 (IP Logged)
Date: August 12, 2008 12:28PM
Record heat and cold do affect the averages, all temperatures affect the averages, but the overall average temperature change is only supposed to be couple of degrees. Global warming climate models indicate a general warming trend yes, but they also indicate more extreme swings in the weather. After all, with all this extreme heat you'd have to have some record cold temperatures for the average increase to only be a couple of degrees.
Essentially we are in agreement about the real argument Larry, the argument isn't whether the climate is changing, it's the cause. I know you're actually an environmentally minded guy in the basic sense, so I won't challenge your overall ideals. Additionally, I won't get into it with you here over why climate change is or is not the result of human actions, since I have to work sometime and that doesn't leave me the time to give the argument the attention it deserves.
So in conclusion let me just say, dude, you are soooooooo wrong.
Hanley
Essentially we are in agreement about the real argument Larry, the argument isn't whether the climate is changing, it's the cause. I know you're actually an environmentally minded guy in the basic sense, so I won't challenge your overall ideals. Additionally, I won't get into it with you here over why climate change is or is not the result of human actions, since I have to work sometime and that doesn't leave me the time to give the argument the attention it deserves.
So in conclusion let me just say, dude, you are soooooooo wrong.
Hanley
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