And we thought it was bad here in KY! Maybe those Asheville folks need to do some neked rain dancing?

2007 may be driest year ever

by Dale Neal, DNEAL@CITIZEN-TIMES.COM
published December 17, 2007 12:15 am

ASHEVILLE — With just more than two weeks left on the calendar, 2007 is shaping up to be the driest year on record for Asheville and Western North Carolina, according to researchers at the National Climatic Data Center.

The weather station atop the Grove Arcade in downtown Asheville has received only 20.77 inches of precipitation since Jan. 1. Unless storms dump more than 2 inches on downtown in the next 17 days, this year will break the record set in 1925, when the city had only 22.79 inches for the year, NCDC data shows.

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Worldwide temperatures have been on the decline over the past seven years, Also, there has been a failure to announce ( wonder why ? ) that, due to the new current pattern of the El Nina in the Atlantic - the earth will now enter a period of cooling predicted by real scientists to last the next 10 - 12 years. This is, again, the result of changing ocean currents, not some super-hyped "Man-caused terminal global warming" hoax.

I wonder why the true news of the pending earthen cooling never makes the agenda-driven liberal mass media ? ? ?

Mike,
In order for there to be a hoax, one must assume that their is motivation for the hoax. What possible motivation would *most* of the scientific community have to mislead us re: global warming? Are they going to market panetary scale coolers to counteract the effect? Do all of their ex-spouses work for the auto industry and big oil so they are just out to spite them? Sometimes, you have to use your brain and look at the big picture!
OTOH, there is shitloads of motivation for the "other side" to declare global warming a hoax and fleece us with "real scientist's" predictions. It's called $, and big oil, and those fat pocketed republicans that are receiving their support ... maybe those "real scientists' too? ... have lots of motivation to entice you to buy your big assed SUV, blame the democrats for high prices, drill the hell out of the whole planet, and say it's all a hoax. Think about it Mike, who has the most motivation to lie? Here's something else to think about ... if we had invested all the trillions of dollars wasted in Iraq ... not to mention the lives lost ... in a REAL energy plan, one that actually looks to the distant future's energy needs, not just the future of our oil supplies ... think of where we'd be. You and I both know the ONLY frickin motivation to invade Iraq was because we wanted to control their oil. Evidence, there's a lot more civil abuse and dictatorship butchery going on on Africa than there ever was in Iraq ... are we invading those countries? NO, WHY, they don't have anything we want! Mark my words, 10 yrs after we pull out of Iraq it will be the same as it was before we showed up. Wonder how our injured vets and sonless mothers will feel about that.
But you can help lower oil prices right now if you want. Just drill a well in your backyard. It's sure to make a difference tomorrow, right? Meanwhile, let's just listen to the "real scientists" and drill the hell out of what's left of the planet and build shitloads of big assed cars and say to hell with it, our country will keep using 90% of the world's resources, the rest of you worthless countries kiss our fat a$$ cause we can kick your a$$ if you don't like it. And I'll bet somewhere in the Bible it says if W is a born again even God supports what we're doing. Hell yeah, I love the republican philosophy. Party on! Let's not waste our time giving a crap about the environment ... to hell with the planet and what we're leaving our kids. We get to party with W behind the Pearly Gates! Yee Haw!

Wes

Motivation for hoax: All the many new "firms" ready to offer all those carbon offsets ( another hoax ) Al Gore has stated he has a principle interest in one of them. Also, there is less than a 50% number of qualified scientists buying into this thing. Junk science, too, is what they call these articles and presentations. Wes, I don't have, or never have had, a "big-assed suv" Only 4 bangers. Talk about the big picture Wes, I've done a fair amount of flying in my time.Just look at all that green! Only Punetabo has had a really big bad impact on the planet lately. I know there have been many bad things put into our air and water since the beginning of the industrial revolution. We've done one hell of a job cleaning it up though, and the newer techn. is even better. The earth has an incredible capability to cleanse itself ( FYI ). And hey y'all, I'm all about the newer renewable sources, but we can't change it all overnight We can get all the fossil fuel we need for now, all the while developing all the new technologies, although I can't see any that will totally eliminate the need for gas / carbon fuels such as aviation, some transportation needs. Nuclear is a big key.too

OK - on the war; if it was all about oil then why did we liberate and NOT steal all their oil ? Can't be about oil. Yes, there are countries around the world that are in terrible shape and we don't have all the massive armies to send everywhere. So there's some in Africa who are warring and it'd be nice to help fight for peace there too, but it gets to be where you can't do them all. I guess there's people who have to get as much info as possible and make the best decisions they know how. Here, the Middle East was a problem for nearly everyone and was very central to America's interests - where Darfur etc. were not. Maybe it's an attempt to try and root in place a democratic country for additional stability ? Maybe its to provide a ( democratic we hope ) buffer zone between Israel and the Iran / Aghanastan / Pakistan powers? Would be a very clever move if thats what it was planned for.
Unfortunately this humble soul sees no good end to the Israeli crisis . And don't blame me for the Israeli problem, it wasn't my fault.

And when we talk about a real energy plan, it is very much the fault of the liberals in government ( joined at the hip with the rad environmentalists ) that we're way high on gas prices today is because we never have been allowed to drill in the very many areas right here at home which are provenfull of oil, and can assist usas we work our plan to create new energy sources.

When you say it will be the same in Iraq afer we leave, then we've been stupider than many think, by forcing Iraq's hand and NOT COMING UP WITH ANY OIL ! ! , and if indeed it gets bad again, we also DIDN'T FORM SOME STABILITY in that area of the world. That would be too stupid even for George Bush to plan.

So, in a way, this whole jihad thing may end up being another global struggle to make sure we have a place to hange our toothbrush's. None of us want to see it, but who is doing anything about it ? Spec Ops in places ? Hope so. Or is it all just a rumor ? Hope so too, but I doubt it.

Just as was said when slick willy vetoed the drilling bill in the mid-90's " there won't be any oil right away anyway ! !" Duh de duh de duh duh. dope dope de dope de dope dope, etc.

As far as the bible references, there's lots in there, but the good news is there's still time to get started. I'll pray for you, that you fall under one of the favorable catagories.

I guess just call me old-fashioned, but I'm sorta conservative. I ain't out to screw nobody, or get free stuff from the government. I guess there'll always be a least two sides to this liberal - conservative argument, but I reckon its gotta be fought. Can't win any other way.

See ya's !

TIP: Try and keep conversations polite, and avoid getting personal and calling names. . . . . . .



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/03/2008 12:36AM by mike46molnar.

Mike, first and foremost, if you think I was rude to you personally, I apologize. I'm pretty sure I didn't call you a name, but if you think I did, I'm sorry about that too. I agree with you that we shouldn't be name calling each other on this list.

This is an issue that I feel very strongly about. IMO we've pissed on this planet far more than we should have. And if you aren't sure about why so many folks are opposed to offshore drilling, I invite you to view a very well made movie by HBO about the Exxon Valdez disaster. Pay particular attention to the damage caused by a leaking tanker, not even a supertanker, and to how those rich A-holes at Exxon (yep, I'll call them names, they deserve it) dealt with it. It is my understanding that the area hardest hit by the spill hasn't yet fully recovered. And we're supposed to think they'll do any better at an oil rig disaster? To this day I'll drive out of my way to avoid Exxon stations and suggest to all I know that they do the same.

And to set the record straight, it's not just about being old fashioned, "liberal" or "conservative". Just because I'm a strong environmentalist, doesn't mean I'm behind the current government giveaway disaster. I could tell you about abuses in government giveaway BS that I see in the ER every day that would make you puke. I totally am against the current welfare / medicaid / disability "system" but I are MORE about environmental issues! So the republican handling of environmental policies and what's left of our unspoiled lands is so ridiculous (IMO) that I vote for the candidate that thinks more like me re: the environment. That's usually a democrat. I guess there is no political "party" for me. My party would put the environment first, have much better energy policy than what we have now ... one that puts a lot more $ into TRULY RENEWABLE energy sources, but encourage the poor to stand on their own two feet, secure our borders, throw the illegals back, make sure that the "disabled' truly are disabled before signing them up for 'the draw" for life, and minimize waste in healthcare and medicaid. Oh, and not start wars based on lies.

And your argument above still didn't give a valid reason why we invaded Iraq and not most of Africa. I would say Afgahnastan offered more jihad terrorist power than Iraq, but they didn't have any oil did they? Why we still have fewer troops chasing one of the biggest terrorist threats on the planet (Osama) and a much bigger force in Iraq ... where the oil is .. right? And you really can't compare the suffering that was taking place in Iraq compared to most of Africa? "Trying to stabilize the middle east by making Iraq a democratic society" ROFL... sounds like something that idiot pill poppin Rush would claim ... just wait 10 yrs and see.
Trust me, no oil, no war, period.

You know what, I'll admit I don't know much about the mysterious "firms" offering carbon offsets ... that sounds like some Rush rhetoric too ... but do you really think they could ever ever ever compare to the profit margins big oil has enjoyed ... or even bigger ones they will get if we drill wherever they want? Geeze, we'll probably end up giving them subsidies for every dry drill even though they continue to make huge profits because that's the way the GOP operates!

Wes

Sorry for the double - post ... slow connection I'm suffering under on vacation had me thinking the first one didn't go through.

Wes



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/03/2008 01:20AM by Powhoundus.

Yo Wes, thanks for the reply - this will be an interesting back-and-forth and I'm sure we'll both do some educatin' of each other. Thanks to, for apologizing for any names - don't think you're guilty but maybe close on "using your brain" ( I think I still have one .

This whole issue is one that I, as you, feel very strongly about. There's no doubt we both have the same goals in mind - we just disagree on the methods.

I'll send you another segment when I have time later. Gotta go to my favorite Sunday morning Thing ! !

Take care,
Mike

Nice discourse you two! Vigorous and passionate debate from different perspectives is so educational. Both respectful also. Good stuff.
Brent

Thanks Brent ! I think it's been a good example of using civility when discussing certain "heated" disputes on the forum.

Patty & I are leaving for Colorado Wednesday, so we'll be OUT OF TOUCH for a couple weeks ! !
So if someone doesn't get an email response, that's why. . . ...

Mike

Mike, in retrospect maybe that "use your brain" comment was a bit harsh. I apologize for that. I also want to say that I like you as a person, and don't want you to think that I don't. As you say, we represent opposite ends of the topic, with some of the same goals in common.

I also agree about the educational aspect of a good debate, and I'm hoping others with more knowledge and different viewpoints on this topic will chime in as well.

Have a great time in CO!

Wes