Pigeon - Gorge: Big Creek to Hartford


Pigeon, North Carolina, US

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Gorge: Big Creek to Hartford (Walters Power Plant to Hartford)

Usual Difficulty II-III+ (for normal flows)
Length 4.66 Miles
Avg. Gradient 33 fpm
Max Gradient 36 fpm

Gauge Information

Name Range Difficulty Updated Level
PIGEON R BL POWER PLANT NR WATERVILLE, NC
usgs-03460795 300 - 3000 cfs II-III+ 00h26m 280 cfs (rc= -0.0 )


River Description

Be sure to check in with Cocke County Constable "Mac" McRae in the booth at the put-in when you paddle on scheduled release days. His job is to count the number of boaters, and under the terms of CP&L's license, the greater the number of boaters, the greater the number of scheduled releases in future years. Mac is an elected official and very supportive of whitewater boating's effect on the local economy.

See AW's Tennessee page for this reach and Carolina Whitewater, B.Benner.

Much of the information on this page is copied (with permission) from Chris Bell's Pigeon Gorge description on his Asheville Area Boating Beta website.


Comment: Stolen from BT from Crunchy:

First rapid:
Powerhouse.
Can be run left, middle or right.
Middle is the hardest. Bigger waves, holes, etc.
Easier is to run the left line.
Go just to the right of the big rock (on river left) at the top of the rapid.
Behind the rock the flow is slower (not really an eddy) and you can work through this flow to one of three eddies on river left.
There is a dead tree laying on the bank.
The tree is a good indicator of the three eddies.
Catching one of these eddies breaks up the lenght of the rapid.
Peel out and work to the middle to avoid rocks on river left.
Look for three dry rocks about 10 yards off the left bank.
Eddy behind these rocks or just below.
Congrats! That\'s Powerhouse.

Next is BFR:
You can run either right or left of Big Freeking Rock. I recommend stopping below it in the eddy.
The next rapid:
The water channels to the right side of the river below BFR.
The easiest line through this on the left side of the channel.
There is a hole on the right. (not a keeper) I love to punch this one.
After the hole there are offset waves and holes.
Easiest is on the left side. (to miss the hole)

Next is Razor Rock.
It is on river left. Great play spot.
Easiest is to stay in the middle of the current about 20 yards off the left bank. Trying to get into the eddy below Razor is harder the higher you hit the eddy.
Below Razor Rock there is a 10-yard wide hole just off the left bank.
This starts the next rapid.
Easiest is to pick your way down the right side.
The left side (after the hole) is the hardest.
There is another slide (playspot) on river left.
After that the river is fairly flat until the bridge.
After the bridge the river channels to the right again.
Easiest is to stay toward the left/center of the rapid.
The right has another nice hole.
After this is another little rapid with boogie water.

Next is Snap Dragon.
The river will make a big bend to the right.
The water will channel to the left.
The left side is where the big waves and holes are.
The center/right is easiest.
It will flow into another rapid that is easier the farther right you go.
Below this is a great area to play.
Super easy to miss stuff you don\'t want to hit.
This will continue until you see:

Lost Guide.
There is a triangular-shaped rock in the middle of the river.
That is your marker for the top of Lost Guide.
The sneak:
Have your boat about half-way between the rock and the right bank. (about 20-yards from the right bank.
Note: the rafts and normal line is about 10-yards off the right bank.
As soon as you see the river turning left, look for the big hole just to the left of the big rock on river left. (there may be people sitting on it)
Find the hole and look left for the green line that flows past the left side of the hole.
Follow that line up stream and see that the water comes from the left side of another (boat-sized) dry rock.
Turn left about 5 yards from this rock. The rock will pass down your right side.
This will put you on the green flow and you\'ll clear the big hole with eaze.

Next is Roostertail.
Easy line is down the right.
River flattens for a while until Double Reactionary.
Sneak is to eddy on the right above the rapid.
Look for just enough water flowing over the rocks on the right to bump your boat down.
Turn right to avoid Tombstone Rock and the wild water.
Stay far right (real bumpy, swallow) until you pass Super Glue hole.

The next rapid is Accelerator.
Go far left. (this is not the raft or regular hard boat line)
The line is one boat-width off the left bank.
This will give you a straight line down Accelerator and keeps you far away from Presidential Hole.
Stay left all the way down.
Those are the sneaks through the Pigeon.
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Last Updated: 2006-08-02 21:29:35

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Susan stylin' Lost Guide

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Gauge Information

Gauge Description:

From Memorial Day to Labor Day, CP&L schedules regular releases from the Walters power plant into the Pigeon River Gorge. Water is usually released Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday from 12 noon to 6 pm. This can be confirmed by calling 800-899-4435. The put-in is just below the dam, so the river can be run almost as soon as the river is "turned on." The current drought conditions could prevent some scheduled releases, so it is not a bad idea to call for confirmation.

Unscheduled releases occur throughout the year whenever power is generated. Unscheduled releases are subject to change and often are not announced on the 1-800 number. One option for catching unscheduled releases is to monitor the online gauge located just downstream of the power plant ( Big Pigeon at Waterville); another is to call the power plant at 828-486-5965.

The standard recreational release is the minimum CP&L is allowed, 1,200 cfs. Natural flow generally adds at least 100 cfs to this. 2000 cfs is optimum, and if more than 2200-2400 cfs is flowing, extra water is coming in from Big Creek and/or the Pigeon Dries. There are reports of the Gorge being run as low as low as 300 cfs, but this is not common.

Gauge Information

Name Range Difficulty Updated Level
PIGEON R BL POWER PLANT NR WATERVILLE, NC
usgs-03460795 300 - 3000 cfs II-III+ 00h26m 280 cfs (rc= -0.0 )

RangeWater LevelDifficultyComment
300 -1000 cfs barely runnable-perfect runnable II-III+
1000 -1500 cfs med runnable-a bit pushy runnable II-III+
1500 -3000 cfs a bit pushy runnable-high runnable II-III+

Report - Reports of Pigeon Gorge: Big Creek to Hartford and related gauges

Reports give the public a chance to report on river conditions throughout the country as well as log the history of a river.

Reports

When River/Gauge Subject Level Reporter
Pigeon [NC] Lost Guide 2 turbines Jeffrey Sailus
1y222d04h58m @Pigeon Gorge: Big Creek to Hartford Susan stylin' Lost Guide n/a Charles Spornick
2y142d19h03m @Pigeon Gorge: Big Creek to Hartford [NC] Account of 09/21/09 n/a n/a

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User Comments


2009-08-26 04:53:00 (898 days ago)
I ran it at about 200 cfs last year. Much less fun but still worth the trip. Much more technical,
creek style moves and less pushy though. Edit

2009-04-29 12:13:33 (1017 days ago)
Bottom Hole of Lost guide has changed. Munchier now, you can surf rafts and boats much easier now.
Probably not a good idea to hit this sideways with a boat load of custies as i usually do cause it
will flip rafts now. Edit

2006-09-18 17:16:09 (1971 days ago) n/a n/a
keep in mind that the rocks in the pigeon were blasted from the side of the mountain to make I-40
it is very sharp with many slabs of concreat and rebar everywhere. ..................Rip Roaring
Adventures, Tim Richmond Edit

2006-08-02 11:52:44 (2018 days ago)
Jeffrey SailusDetails
Stolen from BT from Crunchy:<br>
<br>
First rapid:<br>
Powerhouse.<br>
Can be run left, middle or right.<br>
Middle is the hardest. Bigger waves, holes, etc.<br>
Easier is to run the left line.<br>
Go just to the right of the big rock (on river left) at the top of the rapid.<br>
Behind the rock the flow is slower (not really an eddy) and you can work through this flow to one
of three eddies on river left.<br>
There is a dead tree laying on the bank.<br>
The tree is a good indicator of the three eddies.<br>
Catching one of these eddies breaks up the lenght of the rapid.<br>
Peel out and work to the middle to avoid rocks on river left.<br>
Look for three dry rocks about 10 yards off the left bank.<br>
Eddy behind these rocks or just below.<br>
Congrats! That's Powerhouse.<br>
Next is BFR:<br>
You can run either right or left of Big Freeking Rock. I recommend stopping below it in the
eddy.<br>
The next rapid:<br>
The water channels to the right side of the river below BFR.<br>
The easiest line through this on the left side of the channel.<br>
There is a hole on the right. (not a keeper) I love to punch this one.<br>
After the hole there are offset waves and holes.<br>
Easiest is on the left side. (to miss the hole)<br>
Next is Razor Rock.<br>
It is on river left. Great play spot.<br>
Easiest is to stay in the middle of the current about 20 yards off the left bank. Trying to get
into the eddy below Razor is harder the higher you hit the eddy.<br>
Below Razor Rock there is a 10-yard wide hole just off the left bank.<br>
This starts the next rapid.<br>
Easiest is to pick your way down the right side.<br>
The left side (after the hole) is the hardest.<br>
There is another slide (playspot) on river left.<br>
After that the river is fairly flat until the bridge.<br>
After the bridge the river channels to the right again.<br>
Easiest is to stay toward the left/center of the rapid.<br>
The right has another nice hole.<br>
After this is another little rapid with boogie water.<br>
Next is Snap Dragon.<br>
The river will make a big bend to the right.<br>
The water will channel to the left.<br>
The left side is where the big waves and holes are.<br>
The center/right is easiest.<br>
It will flow into another rapid that is easier the farther right you go.<br>
Below this is a great area to play.<br>
Super easy to miss stuff you don't want to hit.<br>
This will continue until you see:<br>
Lost Guide.<br>
There is a triangular-shaped rock in the middle of the river.<br>
That is your marker for the top of Lost Guide.<br>
The sneak:<br>
Have your boat about half-way between the rock and the right bank. (about 20-yards from the right
bank.<br>
Note: the rafts and normal line is about 10-yards off the right bank.<br>
As soon as you see the river turning left, look for the big hole just to the left of the big rock
on river left. (there may be people sitting on it)<br>
Find the hole and look left for the green line that flows past the left side of the hole.<br>
Follow that line up stream and see that the water comes from the left side of another (boat-sized)
dry rock.<br>
Turn left about 5 yards from this rock. The rock will pass down your right side.<br>
This will put you on the green flow and you'll clear the big hole with eaze.<br>
Next is Roostertail.<br>
Easy line is down the right.<br>
River flattens for a while until Double Reactionary.<br>
Sneak is to eddy on the right above the rapid.<br>
Look for just enough water flowing over the rocks on the right to bump your boat down.<br>
Turn right to avoid Tombstone Rock and the wild water.<br>
Stay far right (real bumpy, swallow) until you pass Super Glue hole.<br>
The next rapid is Accelerator.<br>
Go far left. (this is not the raft or regular hard boat line)<br>
The line is one boat-width off the left bank.<br>
This will give you a straight line down Accelerator and keeps you far away from Presidential
Hole.<br>
Stay left all the way down.<br>
Those are the sneaks through the Pigeon.

2005-05-25 15:42:16 (2452 days ago)
Kevin ColburnDetails
A Report From the Pigeon<br>
<br>
a local rafting company manager was in a shredder yesterday with us three hardboaters and he
pointed out new rebar lying lengthwise in the playhole after LOST GUIDE RAPID. It's normally called
"ROOSTER TAIL RAPID" -- the next rapid after LOST GUIDE. I didn't know its name but he
said that's what everybody calls it. The rafting mgr said they normally allow their customers to
jump and swim this normally safe rapid but now with the rebar they can no longer do that. He
pointed out that if someone were to roll at this popular playhole it could do some serious damage
to one's head. I skirted the meat to the right yesterday and was fine. My two friends from
Knoxville ran the meat and were fine. It was about 3000 CFS so we didn't really see it but the mgr.
assures us that at regular flow it's visible and quite a problem. So, he requested that we spread
the word to all hardboaters: "Catch an eddy way before ROOSTER TAIL if you swim LOST GUIDE and
it's probably best to not play in that wonderful hole anymore." You can still run the meat of
the rapid and not get hurt --- well as long as you don't flip in the meat.<br>
<br>
By the way, the bottom hole at the Rooster Tail rapid is still good to surf, the top hole is the
one with the rebar in it.<br>
<br>
He also said that the river widened a bit after the floods and therefore the Pigeon holes aren't as
good as they used be.

2002-08-12 15:14:09 (3469 days ago)
Kevin ColburnDetails
Due to the fact that it no longer rains in Western North Carolina, beginning immediately (August
10th, 2002) there will be fewer weekly releases in the Pigeon River. Call the 1-800 number listed
above each week to find out what days the Pigeon will run. The 4 days per week schedule will be
returned to as soon as possible.<br>
<br>
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