Tye, North Fork - Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R.


Tye, North Fork, Virginia, US

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Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R.

Usual Difficulty V (for normal flows)
Length 3 Miles
Avg. Gradient 190 fpm
Max Gradient 240 fpm

Cushion, NFT


Cushion, NFT
Photo of Sam Lindblom, Gordon Dalton and Harris Haynie by Wendy Knick taken 06/15/01

Gauge Information

Name Range Difficulty Updated Level
TYE RIVER NEAR LOVINGSTON, VA
usgs-02027000 1000 - 10000 cfs V 01h01m 120 cfs (rc= -0.1 )


River Description

"It's harder than it looks from the road!"

The North Fork of the Tye flows south and east between Fork Mountain and the Blue Ridge in beautiful Nelson County, Virginia. In its three-mile course, the North Fork Tye (the "NFT") drops a total of about 570 feet. The first two miles of the run course downward at 240 feet-per-mile. The boating is low-volume and very technical. The drops are tight and there is no lack of pinning rocks. Several local boaters have "discovered" notable undercuts the old -fashioned way - through personal experience. There is also at least one bad sieve (between "Marbles" and "Monkey") that could sneak up on you - especially at a level of 3' or more. Lastly, almost all the land along the stream is posted private property. The landowners along this, and all other area streams, should be respected. This makes scouting problematic, so your best bet is to go with someone who knows the lines.

Please add a COMMENT if you see wood in the creek, or etc. Thanks.

Take-out along the creek in front of the old Evergreen Church. To reach the take-out from Rt. 56 drive a few hundred yards up Rte. 687 (North Fork Road). and you'll see the church on your right. Park across from the church next to the creek. Be discrete and use appropriate behavior at all times. RESIST THE TEMPTATION TO TAKE OUT FARTHER UPSTREAM - TAKE OUT ONLY AT THE CHURCH except on Sundays. This is an active church so park 100 yards up the road on SUNDAYS. Services are at 9am so you may want to paddle another of the nearby creeks first and hit the North Fork later in the day on Sundays. The South Fork Tye, Statons Creek, South Rockfish and the South Piney are similar in difficulty and all are within a 30-minute drive. If the water is high, check out the "High-Tye" (UPPER North Fork Tye) if you need an adrenaline fix.


Put-in at the bridge about 3 miles up North Fork Rd. You'll see a sign that says "Rainbow Mountain Wildlife Sanctuary." There is very limited space for parking. Take only one rig to the put-in, or better yet have a shuttle bunny drop you off and meet you at the take-out. Do not block any driveways or the road. This bridge is also a take-out for the MIDDLE North Fork Tye which is a class IV+ run. The UPPER North Fork ("Adrenaline Alley" of the "High Tye") is a short mini-gorge section several miles upstream from here. If this parking area is full, or you want to extend your run a bit you can continue up the road along the creek to one of the several unposted pull-outs up the road. The section up there (the MIDDLE North Fork Tye) makes for a fun warm-up, or a good IV++ stand-alone run of it's own.

Trip Description: You'll have a continuous and technical warm-up section along the road for the first 1/2-mile -if you're having any problems in this first part of the creek then you might want to re-think whether or not the run is for you rather than have to walk-out over private land later (the nastiest rapid is not visible from the road).

The first named rapid is CUSHION, 1/2-mile from the put-in bridge. There is a small eddy pool with a big sycamore tree growing almost out of the stream on the right and a small cabin behind it. There are several route options here depending on level. Be mindful of the piton lurking in the center slot of the second ledge, and the sieve in the far-left slot (same ledge).

After many smaller rapids you'll reach ENTRANCE, where most of the water in the creek goes through a boat-width slot, drops into a hole, then filters over and around a maze of small rocks.

Above: HARRIS HAYNIE ENTERS ENTRANCE (1990's)

After this the river relaxes a bit more for a spell. Soon thereafter you may notice a large rounded cliff jutting into the stream on the left bank. A huge boulder constricts the river from the right. This is GLIDE, a sweet 3-4' boof. Below Glide is "Boof Right" and a few other technical boulder rapids.

Above: GORDON AT "GLIDE" (1997)

Keep an eye on the road - when it heads away from the river you'll know you're getting close to PACKSAW (note: you cannot see Packsaw from the road). About 1.5 miles from the put-in, Packsaw is perhaps the most carnage-ridden drop on the river. It is also the hardest to notice before you've already dropped into it. One hazard here is a small undercut cave/sieve jutting out from the left bank. It looks very avoidable, but a lurking and malicious guard rock likes to body-check boats directly into the submerged cave. There have been some sketchy incidents here. Oh yeah, the large rock in the middle/top of Packsaw is undercut too. NOTE: The bottom part of Packsaw changed significantly during the high water of December, 2005. The big rock that overhung the final ledge-hole fell into the current, backing up the flow and splitting the current. The final move is now much tighter, especially at low flow. Most folks portage this one now, especially below 3' on the Nash gauge.

After another quarter mile you'll reach MARBLES. Here all the water drops 5-6' against the overhanging cliff on the left. The large flat rock to the right of the washout - "Alligator Rock" - is undercut, but easily avoidable. Not to sound like a broken record but...the slot on the far right in the washout at Marbles is also an undercut fed by a hole. Oh yeah, you can vertically pin in the center slot. And there is a surprisingly bad sieve immediately below...

Above: GORDON AT "MARBLES" (1997)

Be aware of the sneaky but ugly sieve in mid-river below Marbles. This sieve is really hard to notice from above. It is the drop between Marbles and Monkey. Be heads up.

After you make it past the sieve you'll be heading into MONKEY. Monkey is a diagonal ledge running about 60 degress to the riverbed. After Monkey the river begins to mellow a bit, but still provides several fun rapids (S-turn, Gnat, and others). Take-out only at the church or a little bit upstream (on Sundays). Respect private property.

Note: As with all streams of this size, be aware of ever-shifting lumber in the creek. As of spring, 2001 there were logs spanning the creek in three places - all were negotiable via quick maneuvering but it's tight.

Special Notice - ACCESS!:

A few words on the N. Fk. Tye: This stream wasn't paddled much prior to the mid-90's. In the past there has been minor tension between non-boaters and boaters. All paddlers on the Tye should be aware of this and heed the lesson of John's Creek - keep a low profile and be respectful of the locals. This means driving SLOWLY on the shuttle road, no trespassing and no public nudity (no one wants to see that Whitesnake tattoo on your butt cheek anyway dude)....

 


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Last Updated: 2011-04-19 15:33:34

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Billy Armstrong, Glide

Detail Trip Report  Billy Armstrong, Glide  @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R., VA(1.48MB .jpeg)

Brett Mayer-Aschhoff, Cushion

Detail Trip Report  Brett Mayer-Aschhoff, Cushion  @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R., VA(1.37MB .jpeg)

Scott Anderson, Cushion

Detail Trip Report  Scott Anderson, Cushion  @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R., VA(1.50MB .jpeg)

Scott Anderson, Entrance

Detail Trip Report  Scott Anderson, Entrance  @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R., VA(1.52MB .jpeg)

Waiting Above Second Drop of Cushion

Detail Trip Report  Waiting Above Second Drop of Cushion  @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R., VA(1.31MB .jpeg)

Scott Anderson, Cushion

Detail Trip Report  Scott Anderson, Cushion  @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R., VA(1.40MB .jpeg)

Billy Armstrong, Cushion

Detail Trip Report  Billy Armstrong, Cushion  @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R., VA(1.54MB .jpeg)

Brett Mayer-Aschhoff, Glide

Detail Trip Report  Brett Mayer-Aschhoff, Glide  @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R., VA(1.47MB .jpeg)

Brett Mayer-Aschhoff, Glide

Detail Trip Report  Brett Mayer-Aschhoff, Glide  @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R., VA(1.36MB .jpeg)

Billy Armstrong, Glide

Detail Trip Report  Billy Armstrong, Glide  @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R., VA(1.27MB .jpeg)

Scott Anderson, Cushion

Detail Trip Report  Scott Anderson, Cushion  @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R., VA(1.60MB .jpeg)

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A sieve on the NFT

Detail Trip Report  A sieve on the NFT  Tye. North Fork, VA(25.82KB .jpeg)

Entrance, NFT

Detail Trip Report  Entrance, NFT  Tye. North Fork, VA(54.39KB .jpeg)

Marbles, NFT

Detail Trip Report  Marbles, NFT  N. Fk. Tye, VA(44.54KB .jpeg)

Glide, NFT

Detail Trip Report  Glide, NFT  N. Fk. Tye, VA(63.98KB .jpeg)

Cushion, NFT

Detail Trip Report  Cushion, NFT  N. Fk. Tye, VA(43.49KB .jpeg)

North Fork Tye River

Detail Trip Report  North Fork Tye River  North Fork Tye, VA(1.94MB .wmv)

Large Eddy

Detail Trip Report  Large Eddy  North Fork Tye, VA(95.62KB .jpeg)

Cushion, NFT

Detail Trip Report  Cushion, NFT  N. Fork Tye, VA(47.94KB .jpeg)

ode to joy, NFT

Detail Trip Report  ode to joy, NFT  N. Fork Tye, VA(76.39KB .jpeg)

One of the big ones on the NF Tye

Detail Trip Report  One of the big ones on the NF Tye  Tye, North Fork, VA(2.05MB .jpeg)

Cushion on the NF of the Tye VA

Detail Trip Report  Cushion on the NF of the Tye VA  Tye, North Fork, VA(2.01MB .jpeg)

Tye Fever

Detail Trip Report  Tye Fever  Tye, North Fork, VA(391.30KB .jpeg)


Gauge Information

Gauge Description:

There is a painted (RC) gauge on the Rt. 56 bridge at Nash. Nash is the confluence of the North and South Forks of the Tye. Hurricane Isabel and then the high water in December, 2005 have changed the gauge. The gauge reads about a foot higher now (i.e., The "new" 3'2" is more like the "old" 2'2").

As of this writing, 2 1/2 feet is a low minimum. Local paddlers consider three feet a near-perfect level for most of the creek. At four feet the big drops are exceedingly stout - portages for most paddlers - and even the in-between stuff will be juicing. Few paddle this run that high.

The gauge will probably change continually as the cobbles wash out. Knowing rainfall at Montebello is your best bet. The USGS gauge at Lovingston is helpful too:
Tye River at Lovingston

Think Rain!

 

Gauge Information

Name Range Difficulty Updated Level
TYE RIVER NEAR LOVINGSTON, VA
usgs-02027000 1000 - 10000 cfs V 01h01m 120 cfs (rc= -0.1 )

RangeWater LevelDifficultyComment
1000 -10000 cfs barely runnable-high runnable V Upper limit for best boatability uncertain. Please help your fellow boaters with a comment or report.

Report - Reports of Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R. and related gauges

Reports give the public a chance to report on river conditions throughout the country as well as log the history of a river.

Reports

When River/Gauge Subject Level Reporter
Tye, North Fork [va] Tye River overview n/a Brian Rahall
N. Fork Tye [VA] Cushion, NFT ~2' Glen Piegari
Tye. North Fork [VA] A sieve on the NFT ~2' Gordon Dalton
1y193d16h46m @Tye, North Fork Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R. [VA] Account of 08/03/10 n/a david thomas
4y346d22h46m /Tye, North Fork-Above Nash to Confluence with Tye R. [VA] Brett Mayer-Aschhoff, Glide 750-800 Brett Mayer-Aschhoff
5y96d22h46m Tye, North Fork [VA] Tye Fever apx 1100cfs Brian Rahall
6y29d22h46m Tye, North Fork [VA] One of the big ones on the NF Tye 5.5-6ft Brian Rahall
8y270d22h46m North Fork Tye [VA] North Fork Tye River 1.5' Ryan Emanuel
> 10 years N. Fk. Tye [VA] Marbles, NFT 1.6' Gordon Dalton
> 10 years N. Fk. Tye [VA] Cushion, NFT n/a Gordon Dalton

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User Comments


2010-03-20 09:05:21 (694 days ago)
Gordon DaltonDetails
1) There is a tree across the creek immediately below the boof at "Glide." Probably a walk, but it
could be cut out with a big bowsaw and some effort. 2) The far-left line on the 2nd step/ledge of
Cushion (kind of a sneak) has had some changes: a sieve has opened up to your right as you go
through the slot. It would be easy to fall into the crack. Might be better to run the center line
in the second ledge of Cushion now, but you'll risk the piton in there. Your choice.

2009-12-16 02:21:17 (788 days ago)
Gordon DaltonDetails
Ran the NFT on 12/14/09 and removed the "stick" from the top part of Cushion (it was actually a
4-foot log!). Also pulled the wood from the drop below Prison Love. Still at least 1-2 wood walks
on the creek. GD

2009-12-14 08:19:03 (790 days ago)
Gordon DaltonDetails
As expected for any mtn. stream, there is some wood in the NFT right now. On 12/13/09 we needed 2
wood portages and a walk around "Packsaw." We carried a river-level tree in the section above
"Cushion," then carried the large tree in the bottom part of Cushion (we ran the top 2 drops of
Cushion but there is a 1-2" stick in the main/center drop of the 2nd drop, we ran the far-left move
of this part rather than risk the stick. This stick in the center chute looked like it might spear
you in the chest. Note: It might be impossible to see this stick at higher water). There was also a
submerged log in the second drop below "Prison Love." Prison Love is the tight manky boof
immediately below "Glide." We ran over the log with no problems but it had potential to flat pin
someone. There was more wood in the creek but we were able to negotiate it in-boat at this level
(2.7' @ Nash).

2007-03-04 11:10:30 (1806 days ago)
Brett Mayer-AschhoffDetails
I recently ran the North Fork of the Tye for the first time with Scott Anderson and Billy
Armstrong. It was a bit below the recommended low. Paksaw is an extremely tight line at low water,
a bit of a guard hole forms in front of one of the undercuts on Entrance, and the rapid below
Glide, 'Boof Right', presented its case with a close call, a near sideways pin. It seems important
to get a good boof exactly on line to thread the two boulders below the boof. It might be a good
idea to set safety at lower water, in case of a pin. The weather was perfect for taking pictures.
We kept a low profile and stayed in the confines of the riverbed.

2006-01-19 14:06:14 (2214 days ago)
Gordon DaltonDetails
Packsaw has changed: the big rock that made the right bank at the final step of the rapid has
fallen into the flow. It now splits the current and makes the move A LOT harder and tighter,
especially at low flows.
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