Big Creek - Highway 28 to Overflow Creek


Big Creek, Georgia, US

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Highway 28 to Overflow Creek

Usual Difficulty IV-V(V+) (for normal flows)
Length 2 Miles
Avg. Gradient 200 fpm
Max Gradient 258 fpm

Gauge Information

Name Range Difficulty Updated Level
CULLASAJA RIVER AT SR 1620 NEAR HIGHLANDS, NC
usgs-0350056050 4.60 - 7.00 ft IV-V(V+) 1y217d11h02m 2.91 ft (rc= -0.7 )


River Description

Big Creek runs 2 miles from Hwy 28 to the Three Forks confluence. There are still 2 more miles of paddling out on Overflow Creek to the take-out.

The final half mile to the confluence drops 214 feet in the half mile for a nearly 430 fpm average.

"The First time Russ Kullmar and I ran this. It had already been run once before by a local C1 paddler back in the late 1970's.
So we tracked him down and asked him... whats it like?
"Great run, but don't take your kayak. It gets in the way in all the portages!"
He was right... great run, and we only walked 1 1/2 drops ("Jesus Christ" and "Holy Shit" - aptly named by our first utterances when we saw them).
Holy Shit is the one that ends in the big fall at the end.
Jesus Christ is the one above it that goes into a bowl... used to have a tree in it.
The names were all very expletive. Rock Bottom, Kullmars Courage, Bruces Sluice, Oh My God, Fuck Me.... I suppose most of these names have changed now." Corran Addison from RBP circa 1997.

There is another named drop called thunderdome.

Corran Addison's page on a Big Creek descent in the late 80's


StreamTeam Status: Not Verified
Last Updated: 2005-08-15 17:07:05

Holy Shit RR side

Detail Trip Report  Holy Shit RR side  @Big Creek Highway 28 to Overflow Creek, (64.56KB .jpeg)

Holy Shit RR side

Detail Trip Report  Holy Shit RR side  @Big Creek Highway 28 to Overflow Creek, (97.67KB .jpeg)

Rock Bottom Cont.

Detail Trip Report  Rock Bottom Cont.  @Big Creek Highway 28 to Overflow Creek, (107.31KB .jpeg)

Rock Bottom

Detail Trip Report  Rock Bottom  @Big Creek Highway 28 to Overflow Creek, (59.02KB .jpeg)

Slide headed into Rock Bottom

Detail Trip Report  Slide headed into Rock Bottom  @Big Creek Highway 28 to Overflow Creek, (88.85KB .jpeg)

First rapid shot

Detail Trip Report  First rapid shot  @Big Creek Highway 28 to Overflow Creek, (132.13KB .jpeg)

Rock Bottom Cont.

Detail Trip Report  Rock Bottom Cont.  @Big Creek Highway 28 to Overflow Creek, (123.29KB .jpeg)

Rock Bottom (shows why it has that name) This leads into Holy Shit

Detail Trip Report  Rock Bottom (shows why it has that name) This leads into Holy Shit  @Big Creek Highway 28 to Overflow Creek, (138.73KB .jpeg)

Holy Shit

Detail Trip Report  Holy Shit  Big Creek, GA(4.17MB .mov)

Approach on Holy Shit

Detail Trip Report  Approach on Holy Shit  Big Creek, GA(130.57KB .jpeg)

Logs in Holy Shit

Detail Trip Report  Logs in Holy Shit  Big Creek, GA(85.65KB .jpeg)

Holy Shit (2nd part)

Detail Trip Report  Holy Shit (2nd part)  Big Creek, GA(83.05KB .jpeg)

Holy Shit

Detail Trip Report  Holy Shit  Big Creek, GA(106.74KB .jpeg)

Big Creek - 1st Significant Rapid

Detail Trip Report  Big Creek - 1st Significant Rapid  Big Creek, GA(136.12KB .jpeg)

Big Creek Warmup - First Rapid

Detail Trip Report  Big Creek Warmup - First Rapid  Big Creek, GA(157.61KB .jpeg)


Gauge Information

Gauge Description:

Gauge painted on the downstream center bridge piling on the Hwy 28 bridge.

Gauge Information

Name Range Difficulty Updated Level
CULLASAJA RIVER AT SR 1620 NEAR HIGHLANDS, NC
usgs-0350056050 4.60 - 7.00 ft IV-V(V+) 1y217d11h02m 2.91 ft (rc= -0.7 )

RangeWater LevelDifficultyComment
4.60 -7.00 ft barely runnable-high runnable IV-V(V+) Upper limit for best boatability uncertain. Please help your fellow boaters with a comment or report.

Report - Reports of Big Creek Highway 28 to Overflow Creek and related gauges

Reports give the public a chance to report on river conditions throughout the country as well as log the history of a river.

Reports

When River/Gauge Subject Level Reporter
Big CreekHighway 28 to Overflow Creek [ ] Holy Shit RR side n/a Scott McCorvey
7y73d10h31m Big Creek [GA] Holy Shit Low Jerry Jascomb

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User Comments


2005-01-05 13:59:26 (2592 days ago)
Scott McCorveyDetails
This run is very serious. There are rapids on this river that are as difficult as the hardest
creeks in the SE. Without knowing where the rapids are, one could flush into a "Russian
roulette" type swim and death could follow. This run is no joke and should not be tried
without a seriously good group and major scouting.<br>
<br>
Scott McCorvey

2005-01-03 17:13:13 (2594 days ago)
Jerry JascombDetails
Hiked in recently with Scott M. and took a few shots (above). I think the big one is "Holy
Shit;" did not get much further than that, as no trails exist. Another hike for another day.

2003-09-08 21:25:19 (3077 days ago)
Brad RobertsDetails
From: Savage Yak (savageyak@aol.com)<br>
Subject: Re: Big Creek in Chatooga watershed?<br>
<br>
Original Format<br>
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle<br>
Date: 1995/11/25<br>
<br>
<br>
It was first run by Alan Singly (singly's falls on Overflow), but the<br>
rapids were mostly pioneered by Russ Kullmar and Myself. It has three<br>
basic gorges, with two very serious rapids called Holy Shit and<br>
Thunderdome which have not been run to date (though the last drop in<br>
Thunderdome has been run - beware rocks just below the surface). Holy<br>
Shit, the first of the portages you walk on the left, and it's a<br>
precarious portage. Thunderdome, on the right. The rest is continous, and<br>
fairly difficuld with undercuts and pin spots. It's a lot like Overflow,<br>
except steeper. It's fun, and the Overflow Guage should be minimum 1 foot<br>
before you attempt to run it. Enjoy.<br>
<br>
Corran Addison<br>

2003-08-14 04:19:39 (3102 days ago)
Brad RobertsDetails
From: Strickland (frans@mail.tds.net)<br>
Subject: Re: Big Creek (Chatooga Watershed)<br>
View: Complete Thread (16 articles)<br>
Original Format<br>
Newsgroups: rec.boats.paddle<br>
Date: 1998/04/28<br>
<br>
<br>
cgeist@usiatl.com wrote:<br>
><br>
> Can anyone give me some specific information on Big Creek (One of the two<br>
> rivers that drains into Overflow creek at the three-forks confluence).<br>
><br>
> Has it been run before? Where are the mandatory portages? Can the thing that<br>
> looks like a "triple gorrila" be run at all, etc.<br>
><br>
> My girlfriend and I hiked down it this past weekend and I was intrigued, to<br>
> say the least. Some of the rapids, though, looked like death on a stick.<br>
><br>
> -Craig<br>
><br>
> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----<br>
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading<br>
<br>
A group of us "ran" this stream in the winter if 1975. My notes are<br>
titled: "First and Possibly Only Descent of Big Creek." Today, this is<br>
funny! It has been run several times since then and our "First Descent"<br>
is certainly a question of semantics since we walked as much as we<br>
paddled! Mark Warren found this interesting squiggly line on a topo and<br>
one Winter's day found us putting in off the Hwy 28 bridge. Mark and Joe<br>
Stubbs were in a C-2! Contemplate THAT for a minute! As my notes say,<br>
"May the Lord look after the widows and little children of the world,<br>
and also those simple souls willing to paddle a C-2 down a stream such<br>
as this." Ray Stang was in a K-1, as was I, and Tom Moye was in a C-1.<br>
<br>
Anyway, the first portage comes soon, perhaps within 1/4 mile of the<br>
put-in. A steep approach rapid roars over a vertical ledge of perhaps<br>
ten feet into a seething cauldron of foam before dropping another five<br>
feet or so into a pool. Is it runnable? By today's standards, yes, by a<br>
VERY few. However, the logs protruding out of the foam usually make it<br>
an easy decision as to what to do! There are several large ledges before<br>
one encounters what is now called "Thunder Dome." We never called it<br>
anything but "scary" from a paddler's perspective (and perhaps<br>
"magnificent" in our private thoughts). It reminds me of Linville Falls,<br>
somewhat. Perhaps dropping a total of sixty feet in several stages, the<br>
final one on spilling on top of a boulder or ledge before making the<br>
plunge into the pool. Can IT be run? Back off folks, we've got to save<br>
something for future generations of paddlers! The last half mile or so<br>
drops steeply down to the Three Forks. From my notes: " From the topo we<br>
know that this section, perhaps a half mile in length, drops incredibly<br>
steeply in its haste to join the West Fork. Quite unrunnable. We feel<br>
that portaging along the riverside will be difficult if not downright<br>
impossible. We elect to leave the river and find the trail on the ridge<br>
above the river." and, "During our portage along the ridge we look down<br>
through the trees and view many cascading drops. The water seems to fall<br>
in slow motion, an indication of just how large these drops are." I now<br>
know that all of this section has been run, but of course we were in ICF<br>
regulation length glass boats, cop-out of the Ancients. (I was in a<br>
home-made Lettmann Mark V - oops, has the statute of limitations<br>
expired?).<br>
<br>
We relaunched on Overflow Creek, just above the confluence aptly named<br>
"Three Forks". It is quite possible that we were the first ones in boats<br>
on this section of the West Fork, but, no matter - we portaged most of<br>
it!<br>
<br>
And now, if my history is correct (are you out there Robin Socemdog), we<br>
told Allan Singley about this run which got him to thinking and looking<br>
at other squiggly lines in the area. Soon, perhaps later that year or<br>
early during the next, he soloed Overflow Creek (okay, maybe his dog<br>
went with him). The next run was a dual one by Allan and Robin Socemdog<br>
soon followed by a third descent, a threesome of Robin Socemdog, Joe<br>
Stubbs, and myself. I still remember, with fondness, Robin Socemdog's<br>
incredibly animated descriptions of how to run the big drops. He'd<br>
spout, "Just paddle up, pppttttuppp!!! off the lip into a pool!" We<br>
always turned our heads as he usually sprayed us with spittle when<br>
describing how to run them! Robin Sockemdog, the king of the riverine<br>
onomatopoeia!<br>
<br>
Oops, sorry Craig. You asked for specific information, not a history<br>
lesson. But it's the best that I could do. I haven't been back!<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Ken (S).<br>
<br>
<br>
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